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Answers from Donna Shirley

Question:
First thank you for your time and effort to help this project along. Can you point me to sites that I can find general information on surface climate, temps, seasons, gravity, etc. Also our students are looking into subsurface living quarters what are the best guess on material/soil make up to be found in the first 1/4 mile?

Answer:
You should click on the “Mars” windowpane at mars2030.net for info on Mars. We really have no idea what the subsurface is like, unfortunately, so I suggest they assume that it is about like the earth. Pretty tough digging, I’m afraid. See http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mep/themes/surface.html and http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/MPF/science/surface.html for more surface information.

Question:
We have just started thinking about how we would start a community on Mars. We know water and oxygen are not easily available on Mars. We also know that people have stayed for along time on Mir. Where can we get information on how long missions get enough air and water? Do scientists think there are sources of oxygen and water that will be able to be released on Mars?

Answer:
I’m not sure I understand your first question, but people have lived for over a year on the Mir Space Station. I’m not sure how many resupply trips were required to bring oxygen and water up to let them survive that long. Try looking at: http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/history/shuttle-mir/science/shuttmir/ud061697.htm http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/cgibin/texis.cgi/webinator/search/xml.txt or http://www.pbs.org/saf/mars.html

I would guess that one supply trip can supply enough for a few months. It would be a good experiment for you to calculate how much air you take in with each breath, knowing that Oxygen is about 20% of the air we breathe, and then figure out how much oxygen you would need to last for the 6 months to a year it would take you to get to Mars. There is oxygen in the atmosphere of Mars, although it is bonded with Carbon in the form of Carbon Dioxide (what plants breath in on earth, and then they breath out oxygen.) There are ways of making Carbon Dioxide into breathable oxygen and a test on the Mars Surveyor 2001 lander was supposed to try to do that. Because of the failure of the Mars 1998 lander it looks like that mission will be delayed. But you can find out about the experiment at: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/2001/instruments/mip.html. Also, there is oxygen in the rocks and soil ofMars in the form of iron oxide (rust). We know that there is water in the soil, but not how much. The Viking landers in 1976 detected water, but their detectors couldn’t tell the amount. The Mars 98 lander was supposed to answer that question, but it was lost so we may have to wait until 2001 or 2003 to find out. You can get more information on where water might be underground on Mars at:http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mep/themes/water.html

Question:
Our culminating project for our Mars Millennium project includes building a house on Mars. We would like to know if a house could really be built on Mars, and if so, what materials would we use? Whether habitats on Mars are realistic or not, what would you recommend we use to build our Mars house? Thank you!

Answer:
The easiest way to make a shelter on Mars would be to use the rocks to build your house and then figure out some way to seal it up so the air wouldn’t leak out. You also might dig underground and cover the hole with a sealed-up roof. You would want to include some windows to let in light, though. Certainly you would have to have some machines to help with construction and you’d have to bring along anything like plastic that you would use to seal the inside of the house. You also have to make some air to put inside your sealed-up house. These questions are addressed in the video, “Windows on Mars” which your school should be getting a copy of very soon. The shelter might look something like the ones in the Antarctic. See: http:/www.secretsoftheice.org/scientific/southpole.html except there’s no snow on Mars except at the poles.

Question:
What type of government should be implemented on Mars?

Answer:
That is a question you should answer. What kind of government does your group want? Do you want to have a captain like those on Star Trek in a military power structure model? Do you want to have a democracy? Or should you turn government over to people who are especially trained in it, or would you like to have another model that you think up yourselves? What do you want the government to do? Do you need any at all or will everyone just get along without any formal system?

Question:
Why couldn't we fly to Mars some day?

Answer:
We can, and your Mars team can help show how.

Question:
How do scientists discover black holes?

Answer:
See these web sites: http://amazing-space.stsci.edu/blackholes/teacher/sciencebackground.html and http://amazingspace.stsci.edu/blackholes/teacher/sciencebackground.html#10

Question:
What is it like to travel in space?

Answer:
I don’t know because I’ve never been in space. But I have seen pictures of the astronauts floating around in zero gravity. It looks like fun!

Question:
Could people live on Mars if it had oxygen?

Answer:
Well, if it had about as much oxygen as the earth does, yes they could live on the surface. But people could live in a protective habitat even the way Mars is now. They could get oxygen by processing the carbon dioxide atmosphere and storing it in the habitat. There is an experiment on the Mars Surveyor 2001 lander (which will probably be postponed to 2003 because of the Mars Polar Lander failure), which will see if this can be done on Mars. See http://powerweb.lerc.nasa.gov/pvsee/publications/mars/MIP_LPSC.html and http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/2001/instruments/mip.html

Question:
How to convert the dry ice in Mars to be portable water?

Answer:
I think you mean potable, i.e. drinkable, water. You can't convert dry ice, which is frozen carbon dioxide to water, which is hydrogen and oxygen, but you probably could "cook" it out of the soil by heating the soil. The Viking landers found water in the soil in 1976, but they couldn't tell how much. The Mars Surveyor 98 spacecraft was supposed to find that out, with an instrument called the TEGA See: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msp98/mvacs/instruments/tega.html) , but it was lost. There may also be water deep underground, which you could drill for, but that would be quite a task. There is also a little bit of water in the atmosphere, but probably the soil is the best place to get it initially. See http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msp98/why.html for a discussion of where water might be, also http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mep/themes/water.html

Question:
How will the space suits be protected against the very fine, corrosive dust and how will persons outside as well as inside be protected from the radiation?

Answer:
The space suits will have to be sealed to keep the air in, so dust probably won't get in. However, dust tracked into the habitat by the crew could be a big problem. This was true on the Apollo missions on the moon from 1969-1971 (see " The Last Man on the Moon" by Gene Cernan), but since they were only a few days long it wasn't too big a deal. However, if the Mars residents are there for many months to years they will have to figure out how to clean off their suits before entering the main habitat. We don't know that the dust is corrosive, just that it is very fine. There is an experiment called MECA on the 2001 lander (which will probably be postponed that will attempt to figure out the chemical characteristics of the dust. See: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/2001/lander/meca/index.html

Question:
What do you think of Richard Hoagland's work on the Cydonia region?

Answer:
It's nonsense. The Mars Global Surveyor pictures clearly show that the "Face on Mars" and other forms in the region are merely eroded mountains. See http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/MENUS/cydonia_list.html

Question:
What kind of art events would a community on mars engage in?

Answer:
That's one of the questions you should figure out. What kind of art does your team like to do? Can you do it all together? Some teams are writing and playing an orchestra composition, and some are doing murals. This is a question you might ask Craig Woodson next month.

Question:
How do the mars landing crafts work?

Answer:
They fall into the atmosphere at several thousand kilometers an hour. They are very blunt so the friction with the atmosphere slows them down to a few hundred kilometers per hour, but also heats them up, so they have to have a heat shield to protect them. When they slow down enough, a parachute is deployed to slow them some more. The two Vikings and the unsuccessful Mars Polar Lander fired rocket engines to slow down and land gently on the surface. Pathfinder used rockets plus airbags to cushion the landing. See http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/MPF/mpf/edl/edl1.html, and http://mars3.jpl.nasa.gov:80/msp98/lander/edl.html.

Question:
How can I be an astronaut?

Answer:
Study hard, stay in shape, and have at least one advanced degree, or be a jet pilot. It's very competitive. Only one out of several thousand applicants gets selected. See http://www.nasajobs.nasa.gov/jobs/astronauts/jsc-aso.htm

Question:
What components are contained in the polar icecaps on Mars?

Answer:
Dry ice, water ice, and dust. See http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mep/themes/water.html

Question:
What would people eat up on Mars?

Answer:
You should figure this out as part of your project. See the Biosphere 2 site for some ideas, http://www.bio2.edu/

Question:
Will rubber disintegrate on the cold surface of Mars?

Answer:
Certainly it wouldn't stay elastic in the cold temperatures, plus there may be chemicals in the surface that would break it down chemically. That's why the Sojourner rover used aluminum and steel wheels.

Question:
Has Olympus Mons ever erupted?

Answer:
A long time ago it erupted for a very long time and that's how it got to be 90,000 feet high and 500 miles across. But it probably hasn't erupted for millions of years. See http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mep/themes/volc.html

Question:
How does the low gravity of Mars affect the health of land and water animals?

Answer:
Well, the land doesn’t care and there is no surface water on Mars, so you mainly have to worry about the plants and animals. We really don’t know how 3/8 gravity affects them because so far we’ve only experienced 1 gravity (on earth), 1/6 gravity (on the Moon), and zero gravity (in orbit around earth). In zero gravity people have to exercise a lot because their muscles and bones aren’t working against gravity, so they get weak. Calcium is leached out of their bones, which makes them fragile. When astronauts and cosmonauts have been in space for a long time and haven’t exercised enough, they have trouble walking when they get back to earth. People have not spent enough time on the moon (only a few days at a time) to know what the effect of 1/6 gravity is on them. Some experiments with plants and animals in orbit have shown that problems can be created by zero gravity (for instance, plants don’t know which way to grow!) but we don’t know what effect 3/8 gravity would have. Experiments on the space station, when it is finished, should help us find out.

Question:
Can we use compost as a means of fertilizer?

Answer:
Certainly if you put all your food waste into a composting container it would be available as fertilizer. It will be important to recycle everything you take to Mars because there is no natural source of food or fertilizer there. This will include human waste!

Question:
Donna , Do you know if Mars has a liquid core and if it does- a magnetic field?

Answer:
No, and no. The core has pretty well been established to be solid (Mars is a small planet and it probably used to have a liquid core, but it cooled down). There is no planetary magnetic field but there are indications that it used to have one (probably when it had a liquid core). These are small magnetic “anomalies” that were detected on the surface by the Mars Global Surveyor magnetometer. See http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mep/themes/interior.html for more information.

Question:
In all the artist's renderings of Mars habitats that I have seen, the outside of the habitat is white or a very light color. It seems to me that, in order to absorb the maximum energy from the Sun, it should be a dark color. Am I missing something?

Answer:
You are correct, dark material would be better for absorbing solar radiation. I think the artists just used white because it was prettier. Actually, we usually use gold material for our solar powered landers (see the Pathfinder home page and look at the rover pictures) because it absorbs heat very well.

Question:
Can we generate artificial gravity? If not, how will this affect the health of humans? How much physical activity will a person need a day to maintain a level of fitness? what is the most efficient way of generating energy? What are the drawbacks? If we were born on Mars, would we be able to tolerate Earth's gravity? How long would it take to get to mars, normal and light speed? If we were born on Mars, would we be able to tolerate Earth's gravity? How long would it take to get to mars, normal and light speed? How are people going to breathe and communicate on their way to Mars?

Answer:
My, goodness – these are the sorts of questions YOU are supposed to be doing research on to design your colony on Mars! I have been told that an astronaut in zero gravity needs to exercise at least two hours a day to stay in shape. Artificial gravity could be induced by spinning a space ship on the way to Mars, but that would mean you’d have to have a very large ship. (Rent the movie “2001” to see a space station with artificial gravity – it’s really big). The most efficient way of generating energy on Mars is with nuclear power, but there are many drawbacks to that because some people are afraid that if a rocket carrying nuclear material were to blow up it would contaminate the earth. Also, nuclear power is very expensive. It was used on the Viking landers in 1976, but solar energy is used on all our current robotic spacecraft (like Pathfinder, Mars Global Surveyor, and the Sojourner rover). The trouble with solar energy is that it’s only there during the daytime and energy has to be stored at night. Also, since Mars is much farther from the Sun than the Earth is, you need more solar array area to generate power than you would on the Earth. It takes between six months and a year to get to Mars now. We can’t go at the speed of light, but you can figure out how long it would take to go about 100 million miles at the speed of light. People will breathe and communicate the way they do on the space shuttle. They will carry their oxygen and communicate by radio.

Question:
Have you received any signals from the mars polar lander? And if you have then what signals are they?

Answer:
No, we’ve never received any signals from the Polar Lander. There was a faint hope that a faint signal heard by the Stanford large antenna was Polar Lander, but that was never repeated and was probably actually from a source somewhere on Earth.


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